Hard Tellin' Not Knowing
The hardest climb catalogued at Hidden Wall.
- 5.12b
- grade
- Trad Gear
- style
Is Hard Tellin' Not Knowing open right now?
Closure in the area
There's a closure order in National Forests in North Carolina. It doesn't name Hard Tellin' Not Knowing, so check the source for the area it covers (2 listed).
Rainbow Springs Road closed for reconstruction
Agency closure covering National Forests in North Carolina · USFS · National Forests in North Carolina
Closures in anticipation of Hurricane Isaias
Agency closure covering National Forests in North Carolina · USFS · National Forests in North Carolina
Siddie Fields Day Use Area closed for improvements
Agency alert covering National Forests in North Carolina · USFS · National Forests in North Carolina
Pisgah National Forest Driving Safety Alert
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As of · Source: USFS · National Forests in North Carolina. Agencies don't list every closure — check before you go.
Best time to visit Hard Tellin' Not Knowing
Best months: March–May and September–November. Best months have typical highs of 55–85 °F, lows of 30 °F or warmer (32 °F where the station doesn't record snow), at most one snowy day and no more than 12 wet days.
Jan
49° / 25°
10 wet · 1 snow
Feb
53° / 27°
10 wet · 1 snow
Mar
60° / 33°
12 wet
Apr
69° / 41°
11 wet
May
75° / 50°
12 wet
Jun
81° / 58°
14 wet
Jul
83° / 62°
15 wet
Aug
82° / 62°
14 wet
Sep
77° / 55°
10 wet
Oct
69° / 43°
9 wet
Nov
59° / 32°
8 wet
Dec
51° / 28°
10 wet · 1 snow
Typical high / low (°F) and days with rain or snow, 1991–2020. Measured at Brevard, NC, 5.5 mi away at 2,175 ft. The station sits about 1,000 ft lower than this place, so expect it a little cooler here. Source: NOAA NCEI U.S. Climate Normals 1991–2020.
This route represents the upper limit of difficulty at Hidden Wall, where 11 climbs have been catalogued across a range from 5.8 to 5.12b.
Photo of the crag

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